Author Topic: Solved JJ#2: 1933-34 Southern Cross (Read 16438 times)

jimjarron · « **on:** August 28, 2008, 04:07:53 AM »

Can anyone identify this rarity? From what I can find out about it, it seems that this one was the first of six built, and none survive.

jimjarron · « **Reply #1 on:** September 16, 2008, 09:38:49 PM »

Time to move this one, I think.

Allan L · « **Reply #2 on:** September 17, 2008, 03:25:21 AM »

Looks as if it should be a Renault Reinastella of about 1929.

jimjarron · « **Reply #3 on:** September 17, 2008, 03:31:26 AM »

It's a long way from being a Renault, I'm afraid.

Arunas · « **Reply #4 on:** October 24, 2008, 01:19:17 PM »

Is it Spanish?

Ray B. · « **Reply #5 on:** October 24, 2008, 02:10:02 PM »

A custom Australian Studebaker?

jimjarron · « **Reply #6 on:** October 26, 2008, 07:17:14 PM »

It is an Australian car that never went into series production. As far as I know there is no Studebaker connection (but I'll have to check that in one of my books when I get home tonight).

jimjarron · « **Reply #7 on:** November 18, 2008, 12:08:06 AM »

Quote from: jimjarron on October 26, 2008, 07:17:14 PM

As far as I know there is no Studebaker connection (but I'll have to check that in one of my books when I get home tonight).

Sorry, but I neglected to follow up on this one until now. I didn't want to categorically state that there was no Studebaker connection as I didn't know what components wereused for the engine and gearbox, and a number of Australian built cars (most notably the Australian Six) did use American parts. As it turns out, the car in question was powered by a locally built 4 cylinder horizontally opposed engine with a 4 speed gear box, although two cars were built using a torque converter, which had been developed in Australia.

Does that help?

fnqvmuch · « **Reply #8 on:** November 19, 2008, 07:57:54 PM »

Chamberlin?

jimjarron · « **Reply #9 on:** November 19, 2008, 10:56:48 PM »

Quote from: fnqvmuch on November 19, 2008, 07:57:54 PM

Chamberlin?

No it isn't.

ImpishGrin · « **Reply #10 on:** November 20, 2008, 08:26:12 AM »

Besst?

jimjarron · « **Reply #11 on:** November 20, 2008, 07:26:14 PM »

Quote from: ImpishGrin on November 20, 2008, 08:26:12 AM

Besst?

No.

fnqvmuch · « **Reply #12 on:** November 21, 2008, 08:39:04 AM »

Southern Cross

jotage21 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 21, 2008, 08:55:59 PM »

Auscar?

fnqvmuch · « **Reply #14 on:** November 30, 2008, 07:15:16 PM »

southern cross ( aka test model) 1933 by marks motor construction ltd sydney dr a r marks associated with aviator sir charles kingsford-smith, hence name

jimjarron · « **Reply #15 on:** December 01, 2008, 07:58:17 PM »

Yes, it is a Southern Cross. the closed car is much better looking than the tourer, don't you think?

There's not much information out there about these cars, but I did find this:

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The Southern Cross Car Australian made by Marks Motor Construction Ltd. 1933. Chairman of Directors and co-designer - Sir Charles Kingsford Smith. Powered by 4 cylinder horizontally opposed 60 h.p. motor with 4 speed gear box. Chassisless body of laminated wood of aircraft type construction. Six models built. No surviving examples are believed to exist. Last known model destroyed by fire in early 1970s.

Although Lancia is generally credited with devising the first production car with an integrated chassis and body structure, Sydney's Alfred John Swinnerton had anticipated the idea. In 1907, Swinnerton built a small car with the chassis frame and body integrated into a single unit to add strength and save weight. Eight years later he built a bigger car using the same principle. In 1923 Dr. A.R. Marks of Sydney improved the concept, using stressed plywood to produce a monocoque structure, the grandfather of the chassis-less cars we now drive. His idea was taken up by aviator Charles Kingsford Smith and used in the 1933 Sydney built Southern Cross car.

The fate of Sir Charles Kingsford Smith remains one of aviation's unsolved mysteries. On 6 November 1935, 'Smithy' and his co-pilot mechanic, Tommy Pethybridge took off on a planned flight from England to Australia in the Lady Southern Cross, a Lockheed Altair. At dusk on 7 November 1935 he and Pethybridge, departed Allahabad, India to fly non-stop overnight to Singapore. They passed over Calcutta, and Rangoon, which they overflew at 1:30 am. Just before 3:00AM, 8 November, another Australian pilot, Jimmy Melrose who was heading south from Rangoon in a much slower plane, saw the Altair overtake him above the Andaman Sea.

In Singapore later that day Melrose was surprised to learn that the Lady Southern Cross had not arrived. Despite the RAF's search of the entire Rangoon-Singapore route, no trace of the Altair was found for 18 months. In May 1937 its starboard undercarriage leg was picked up by Burmese fishermen on the rocky shore off the south coast of Burma about 140 miles south-east of Rangoon. The theory grew that Smithy had flown into the 460-foot top of the jungle-covered Aye Island and the aircraft had plunged into the sea, the wheel breaking off and floating ashore. But an Australian expedition to the island in 1983 searched the seabed without success.

Thus ended the wonderful career of Australia's premier aviator and the dream of a chassis-less vintage Australian car.

Ray B. · « **Reply #16 on:** December 02, 2008, 04:16:23 AM »

Funny, I already used the saloon for a puzzle and haven't been able to recognize it.
I don't think they should be merged, though, as the body styles make them look so different. Maybe just add "tourer" to the title.
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=3673.0

sixtee5cuda · « **Reply #17 on:** October 03, 2021, 11:17:35 AM »

The first Southern Cross automobile was christened by Lady Kingsford Smith at Mascot Aerodrome in June of 1933.

Fёdor · « **Reply #18 on:** October 03, 2021, 11:20:50 AM »

GrahamClayton · « **Reply #19 on:** August 24, 2024, 07:54:43 AM »

The Southern Cross which was christened by Lady Kingsford Smith at Mascot Aerodrome in 1933, was sold to a resident of Ryde or Parramatta, NSW, in 1936. It was reportedly chopped up for firewood in the 1970s. No Southern Cross cars are known to have survived.

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Author Topic: Solved JJ#2: 1933-34 Southern Cross (Read 16438 times)