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Q#105 - 1963 Allemano Fiat 1500 Berlina 4 Posti
« on: September 27, 2008, 07:36:57 AM »
What's the make and model of this car?
« Last Edit: January 19, 2021, 09:54:56 AM by Oguerrerob »

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Re: Q#105
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2008, 09:39:58 AM »
fiat 1500 by allemano ( the real one, not the one that´s puzzling  ;D ;D )

point number 25 !!   ;)

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Re: Q#105
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2008, 06:43:13 AM »
Yes - I thought I'd be cheeky and post an Allemano.

Can you be just a little more specific on the exact body style for the point, as there were several Allemano bodied Fiat 1500s

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Re: Q#105
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2008, 07:54:49 AM »
Yes - I thought I'd be cheeky and post an Allemano.  ;D ;D

Can you be just a little more specific on the exact body style for the point, as there were several Allemano bodied Fiat 1500s

fiat 1500 coupe allemano
this one here is for sale  :P
http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/attachments/other-italian-cars/106530d1213937820-fiat-1500-allemano-fait-allemano.jpg

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Re: Q#105
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2008, 11:37:03 AM »
Sweet!

However, I have a different name on file for this body style...

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Re: Q#105
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2008, 01:01:20 PM »
Sweet!

However, I have a different name on file for this body style...

2 + 2 coupe !  ;)

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Re: Q#105
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2008, 03:26:21 PM »
Still not the one I have!  ::)

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Re: Q#105
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2008, 05:04:56 PM »
Anyone know the exact body style?

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Re: Q#105
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2008, 06:32:07 PM »
Is it a Berlinetta?
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Re: Q#105
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2008, 09:01:41 AM »
Not there yet

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Re: Q#105
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2008, 10:49:07 AM »
i guess you have to keep that point for yourself  :hah: ;D 8)

nitpicking greets, :P

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Re: Q#105
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2008, 11:19:47 AM »
It's really not that much of a leap to guess the body style. I'll even give you clue: it's not a coupe

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Re: Q#105
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2008, 01:04:09 PM »
Barchetta?  ???

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Re: Q#105
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2008, 04:03:02 PM »
Barchetta?  ???

Nope. But it does begin with 'B'. Come on!

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Re: Q#105
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2008, 04:13:25 PM »
Shot in the dark: "Berlina"? Quite common name for Alfas and Fiats
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Re: Q#105 - 1963 Allemano Fiat 1500 Berlina 4 Posti
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2008, 04:28:28 PM »
To be honest: I have my doubts if it's the correct name, but never mind!

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Re: Q#105 - 1963 Allemano Fiat 1500 Berlina 4 Posti
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2008, 04:30:08 PM »
Berlina is correct. Quite fitting that you get the point I guess.

As you can see, it's quite different from Allemano's 2+2 Coupe of the same period:

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Re: Q#105 - 1963 Allemano Fiat 1500 Berlina 4 Posti
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2008, 04:33:09 PM »
Yes, I knew, but have it saved as 1963 Fiat 1500 Coupe 2+2:
With both cars!  :D
« Last Edit: October 28, 2008, 05:02:40 PM by Allemano »

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Re: Q#105 - 1963 Allemano Fiat 1500 Berlina 4 Posti
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2008, 04:35:16 PM »
Shot in the dark: "Berlina"? Quite common name for Alfas and Fiats

"Berlina" is the italian word for "sedan\saloon".

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Re: Q#105 - 1963 Allemano Fiat 1500 Berlina 4 Posti
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2008, 04:37:15 PM »
Here's the contemporary literature that shows the name

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Re: Q#105 - 1963 Allemano Fiat 1500 Berlina 4 Posti
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2008, 04:50:47 PM »
On one hand you have a strong argument, but on the other hand I had in mind the Sedans/Saloons use to have 4 doors...
It was in the Rookie section back then otherwise we would have discussed it earlier.  ;)

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Re: Q#105 - 1963 Allemano Fiat 1500 Berlina 4 Posti
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2008, 05:09:39 PM »
In then pic there is just written that this is a sedan based on a Fiat 1500, it is not a particular name of the car...and sedan can have 2 doors without beeing coupes!

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Re: Q#105 - 1963 Allemano Fiat 1500 Berlina 4 Posti
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2008, 05:17:18 PM »
Yes there are some examples of two door sedans but they're very rare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedan_(car)
If I take a close look to the body shape of Quiller's Fiat Allemano I would definetely say that it's a coupé!

« Last Edit: October 28, 2008, 05:22:16 PM by Allemano »

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Re: Q#105 - 1963 Allemano Fiat 1500 Berlina 4 Posti
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2008, 05:55:52 PM »
I disagree, Allemano, two door sedans aren't rare, by all means. With american cars (my specialty, sorry) every make used to build two and foor door sedans. Two-door sedans were different from the coupes: they had the same interior room and roof line  as the four doors sedans, when the coupes had less inner room and a shorter and later, when they became hardtops, a lower roofline.
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Re: Q#105 - 1963 Allemano Fiat 1500 Berlina 4 Posti
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2008, 06:11:48 PM »
You don't need to be sorry if you are right!  ;D
Okay maybe you're correct, but you maybe agree with me that a Sedan has commonly 4 doors.
Also it was only my opinion about Quiller's car!
« Last Edit: October 28, 2008, 06:33:40 PM by Allemano »