Author Topic: Dark Raider SOLVED! Opel "Black Widow" 1973 (Read 4357 times)

grobmotorix · « **on:** October 19, 2007, 12:23:44 PM »

Has anyone seen this before?

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #1 on:** October 19, 2007, 12:56:41 PM »

Hi, the rolling platform (more than the design) suggest me a Pininfarina design (in fact many pics of his models are taken in his private atelier), but I can't find the model..It's similar to one or two but there is something wrong...

grobmotorix · « **Reply #2 on:** October 19, 2007, 04:43:53 PM »

The project was abandoned due to the first oil crises and never went public.

And as I do know there was no italian involvement with it...

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #3 on:** October 20, 2007, 02:25:48 AM »

An Opel, perhaps?

grobmotorix · « **Reply #4 on:** October 20, 2007, 01:42:53 PM »

You are too good, yes!

If you can tell me the purpose of the concept and an acceptable year this will be your point.

An extra point will be awarded to the one who knows the proper name of this car...

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #5 on:** October 30, 2007, 12:18:29 PM »

It seems the early version of the Vauxhall Cavalier Sportshatch Concept n.1 from 1970...

grobmotorix · « **Reply #6 on:** October 30, 2007, 01:18:34 PM »

Not this one...

@re · « **Reply #7 on:** October 30, 2007, 05:32:00 PM »

This one really baffles me. It seems to be a cross between all the wedge-shaped Opel concepts of that period - the 1969 Opel CD and the 1975 Geneve and GT 2 - and, indeed, the Cavalier Sportshatch. But none of them have those strange vertical stripes in the rear side window. I can not find any mention of any other Opel concept of that same period - and still I have a very strange feeling I have seen the front end of that car before. Frustrating!

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #8 on:** October 30, 2007, 05:39:19 PM »

Yes, and I found a lot of pictures of vauxhall\opel prototypes over that rolling platform....

grobmotorix · « **Reply #9 on:** October 31, 2007, 06:36:15 PM »

You´re on the very right track, but I´ve still got to wait to give you a point as I need a ("nick")name or what kind of purpose this one had...

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #10 on:** October 31, 2007, 06:59:21 PM »

Well the nick name it's hard...the purpose I guess was a study for a new 2+2 coupe'..I now It's not much...

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #11 on:** November 01, 2007, 05:38:03 AM »

Was it to be Wankel powered?

grobmotorix · « **Reply #12 on:** November 01, 2007, 09:17:37 AM »

It isn´t this exotic and was just planned to be the successor of another Opel...

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #13 on:** November 01, 2007, 09:46:57 AM »

The new Opel GT?

@re · « **Reply #14 on:** November 01, 2007, 10:44:38 AM »

Or maybe an early Manta prototype? Or a replacement (or alternative proposal) for the Olympia A coupé?

grobmotorix · « **Reply #15 on:** November 01, 2007, 03:34:36 PM »

Yes it was planned to be the successor of the GT, but was was the nickname of this proposal?

Motorace · « **Reply #16 on:** November 01, 2007, 03:37:48 PM »

Looks to me like a prototype for what went into production as the Chevy "Monza" in the mid 1970's just after the oil crisis hit, so my guess is that the word you're looking for is "Monza"...

(& could that turntable be outdoors at GM's Warren Mi design studio?

Dan

grobmotorix · « **Reply #17 on:** November 01, 2007, 05:47:38 PM »

This was photographed in the courtyard of Opel Design during an evaluation.

It came between the "Geneve" prototype and the "GT2" and was stopped in 1973 during the oil crisis.

If I´d show you a front pic the emblem on the hood would tell you everything...

SeaLion · « **Reply #18 on:** November 02, 2007, 05:12:19 AM »

Maybe it was a project involving a big engine, perhaps a V12 or a V16. "Opel V12"?

grobmotorix · « **Reply #19 on:** November 02, 2007, 05:46:32 PM »

no big engine...

@re · « **Reply #20 on:** November 04, 2007, 06:54:07 AM »

There has to be something wrong here. The Geneve was first shown in Geneva in March, 1975. The GT2 made its debut in Frankfurt in September the same year. Still you say that it "came between" these two concepts - and that it was stopped during the oil crisis of 1973? Something's not right...

grobmotorix · « **Reply #21 on:** November 04, 2007, 07:34:36 AM »

Well this was sketched in 1973, planned to be produced from 1976 on. I´ve mixed those two numbers up, sorry

SeaLion · « **Reply #22 on:** November 04, 2007, 01:33:38 PM »

Hmmm. There are some similarities in the side window graphics to the Monza, the Manta B and the GT-2:

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #23 on:** February 20, 2008, 03:59:15 AM »

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If you can tell me the purpose of the concept and an acceptable year this will be your point.

An extra point will be awarded to the one who knows the proper name of this car...

Here you are...This is the Opel "Black Widow" fom 1973. As production of the GT ceased in 1973, designer actively worked on a potential replacement. This elegant 2+2 coupe could have suceeded it. Due to the firs oil crisis, the project was abandoned and never get public.

grobmotorix · « **Reply #24 on:** February 24, 2008, 12:25:35 PM »

Hi Paul,

I knew it would be you to solve this...

Perfectly done and I´ve awarded you the double points, too.

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Author Topic: Dark Raider SOLVED! Opel "Black Widow" 1973 (Read 4357 times)