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Tifositeaser #18 <SOLVED> GEORGE CHILBERG'S "CHALLENGER"
« on: April 24, 2007, 09:39:51 PM »
Does anybody recognize this car?
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Re: Tifositeaser #18
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2007, 04:12:56 AM »
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Re: Tifositeaser #18
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2007, 02:22:15 PM »
Not an Allard, but you're kind of on the right track...


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Re: Tifositeaser #18
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2007, 01:52:23 PM »
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Re: Tifositeaser #18
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2007, 02:10:30 PM »
It's a Headscratcher, circa 1954 - 55.
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Re: Tifositeaser #18
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2007, 03:43:55 PM »
The owner of this car is very well-known in vintage racing circles.


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Re: Tifositeaser #18
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2007, 01:13:41 PM »
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Re: Tifositeaser #18
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2007, 05:04:06 PM »
US or Euro circles?
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Re: Tifositeaser #18
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2007, 10:20:14 PM »
U.S.


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Re: Tifositeaser #18
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2007, 06:57:03 PM »
Quote from: Tifosi on April 25, 2007, 02:22:15 PM
Not an Allard, but you're kind of on the right track...

I'm not sure what the right track might be: Anglo-American presumably.7
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Re: Tifositeaser #18
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2007, 07:16:58 PM »
Quote from: Allan L on May 22, 2007, 06:57:03 PM
Quote from: Tifosi on April 25, 2007, 02:22:15 PM
Not an Allard, but you're kind of on the right track...

I'm not sure what the right track might be: Anglo-American presumably.7



Yes.


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Re: Tifositeaser #18
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2007, 04:31:37 AM »
Jaguar chassis?
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Re: Tifositeaser #18
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2007, 06:40:27 AM »
Anglo american. No connection with AC?
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Re: Tifositeaser #18
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2007, 12:16:07 PM »
There are no Jaguar or AC connections associated with this car.  It was originally built just before WW ll as a single seater...the engine for which it was originally designed never materialized, so another  much larger engine was fitted post-war.


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Re: Tifositeaser #18
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2007, 08:28:44 AM »
It is the "The Challenger", built on a '49 Ford chasis with a 354 Hemi engine. 

The original engine was to be a large MG twincam that never got built. Over the years, it's run with an ERA, DeLage, Lagonda engines. 
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Re: Tifositeaser #18
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2007, 09:32:49 PM »
Quote from: KarnUtz on June 15, 2007, 08:28:44 AM
It is the "The Challenger", built on a '49 Ford chasis with a 354 Hemi engine. 

The original engine was to be a large MG twincam that never got built. Over the years, it's run with an ERA, DeLage, Lagonda engines. 

Correct!  Originally driven by Reg Parnell, it's now being restored by George Chilberg.


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Re: Tifositeaser #18 <SOLVED> GEORGE CHILBERG'S "CHALLENGER"
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2013, 12:10:42 PM »
There is something I do not understand here.
According to different sources, Reg Parnell built his Challenger in 1939, had a tubular chassis and a straight-six dohc engine.
It ran with an ERA engine in 1939 and a Delage eight in 1947.
"He also began the construction of his own car for voiturette racing (the pre-war version of Formula Two). Known as the Challenger, it was to feature a specially constructed, twin-stage super-charged, six-cylinder, 1.5-litre engine, double-wishbone front suspension, and torsion bars coupled with a de Dion axle at the rear; however, World War 2 intervened.
Parnell spent the war years completing the Challenger (but using a straight-eight Delage engine in place of the partially completed, home-brewed six) (...)."

I don't think it's the same car and I'd like to know more.
(BTW I don't think the current restorer\owner should be featured in the title unless he actually rebuilt it as something different)
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Re: Tifositeaser #18 <SOLVED> GEORGE CHILBERG'S "CHALLENGER"
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2013, 05:48:04 AM »
In another place, on 14 May 2009 - 13:28, Duncan Ricketts posted :

    I am building up the Challenger to its pre-war form and would like to know if anyone has either information or photos of the car in either its ERA or Delage engine period pre-war. I have a few photos at Prescott.
    In particular I am interested in finding out what happened to the original 7 bearing twin cam engine, was it ever finished?
    I think Paul Emery probably fitted the brakes into an Emeryson? As he installed SS Jaguar brakes into the Challenger when he fitted the Lagonda V12 engine.
    I have most of the car minus body and brakes.
    Any information would be greatfully received to help with the rebuild. Thank you Duncan Ricketts

That is some two years after the main part of this thread, but I wonder if there were two cars claiming "The Challenger" in their ancestry
Perhaps I should ask Duncan some time.
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Re: Tifositeaser #18 <SOLVED> GEORGE CHILBERG'S "CHALLENGER"
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2013, 06:00:58 AM »
Quote from: Allan L on November 13, 2013, 05:48:04 AM
In another place, on 14 May 2009 - 13:28, Duncan Ricketts posted :

    I am building up the Challenger to its pre-war form and would like to know if anyone has either information or photos of the car in either its ERA or Delage engine period pre-war. I have a few photos at Prescott.
    In particular I am interested in finding out what happened to the original 7 bearing twin cam engine, was it ever finished?
    I think Paul Emery probably fitted the brakes into an Emeryson? As he installed SS Jaguar brakes into the Challenger when he fitted the Lagonda V12 engine.
    I have most of the car minus body and brakes.
    Any information would be greatfully received to help with the rebuild. Thank you Duncan Ricketts

That is some two years after the main part of this thread, but I wonder if there were two cars claiming "The Challenger" in their ancestry
Perhaps I should ask Duncan some time.

Too true. I'd be interested to know quite what the American owner had which led him to believe he'd got hold of the ex-Parnell Challenger. A '49 Ford frame???? I can't find a photo of the pre-war car, but it was very pretty indeed, and very much a single-seater.

I think there has been a gigantic misunderstanding somewhere along the way.
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Re: Tifositeaser #18 <SOLVED> GEORGE CHILBERG'S "CHALLENGER"
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2013, 05:54:32 AM »
thank you Allan, I also would like to have the story straight and I'm curious to see the original challeger.
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