Author Topic: Puzzle #113 - Solved! Hotchkiss-Grégoire Grand Sport Coupé by Chapron (Read 14626 times)

Otto Puzzell · « **on:** November 30, 2006, 04:03:36 AM »

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Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #1 on:** December 14, 2006, 04:26:14 AM »

I'd toyed with putting this one in the "Rookie' section and first. I'm glad I didn't.

porridgehead · « **Reply #2 on:** December 14, 2006, 08:20:46 AM »

I'm not. If it was there, it wouldn't haunt me.

MG · « **Reply #3 on:** December 15, 2006, 07:16:19 AM »

That rear window reminds me of a late '40s Cadilliac. In fact so do the rear fenders.

Can't say much about the front of the car, since the Grand Puzzler has seen fit to make it impossible to see it!

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #4 on:** December 16, 2006, 06:20:14 AM »

I'll tell you this much: this car is much smaller than a Cadillac.

MG · « **Reply #5 on:** December 16, 2006, 08:02:18 AM »

I have learned from experience that what you DON'T say is often as important as what you DO say - or more so.

So...what are you saying?

Considering the probable age of this vehicle, I am guessing it is an early 50's example that "borrowed" heavily from the aforementioned Cadilliac. Which implies a European model and brand. The slope of the rear almost looks Porsche-like. If it had louvers cut into it....... But no, it does not.

We KNOW the Germans LOVE their silver cars. So I am guessing a German manufacturer. One with possible ties to GM. Let's start the bidding with "What is Opel, KU?"

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #6 on:** December 16, 2006, 09:27:54 AM »

Not an Opel.

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #7 on:** December 22, 2006, 06:15:57 AM »

Also not a Porsche, or German.

Jagman · « **Reply #8 on:** December 31, 2006, 01:10:01 PM »

Looks like a Volvo to me...........

MG · « **Reply #9 on:** December 31, 2006, 09:03:48 PM »

Actually, taking a new look at this, that wood dash looks very European and in particular it looks British.....

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #10 on:** January 01, 2007, 03:42:59 AM »

Not a Volvo; not British.

ByrX · « **Reply #11 on:** January 01, 2007, 06:47:28 AM »

Hotchkiss gregoire?

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #12 on:** January 01, 2007, 06:54:38 AM »

Absolutely correct!

For MG's edification, here is the front of the car, from which I'm sure he would have produced an instant ID.

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #13 on:** January 01, 2007, 06:58:31 AM »

And with that, ByrX has joined the ranks of the Expert AutoPuzzlers. Well done, sir!

MG · « **Reply #14 on:** January 01, 2007, 07:32:23 AM »

Yup. That front shot's a dead giveaway!

Wendax · « **Reply #15 on:** March 03, 2012, 02:49:32 PM »

Another nice picture:

GrahamClayton · « **Reply #16 on:** September 26, 2012, 02:20:03 AM »

The Hotchkiss-Gregoire featured a front wheel drive design purchased by Hotchkiss from JA Gregoire. The car was powered by a horizontally opposed 2188cc 4 cylinder engine.
Production commenced in June 1951, but ended in November 1952 after only 247 cars had been built.

grobmotorix · « **Reply #17 on:** August 16, 2013, 04:36:32 AM »

Here´s a rare 1950 color photo:

Frisian Rhodesian · « **Reply #18 on:** December 19, 2013, 06:38:47 PM »

You have failed to mention that your puzzle picture shows an extremely rare Hotchkiss Grégoire Grand Sports 2-door body by Paul Charon. Only 247 Hotchkiss Grégoire's were built, of which 235 had been 4-door sedans, a couple of Convertibles, which leaves 10 or less Grand Sports! The failure of these cars to sell in large volumes, must in part be due to the fact that they retailed for more than twice the price of a similarly sized six-cylinder Citroën Traction 15CV!

grobmotorix · « **Reply #19 on:** December 19, 2013, 11:28:45 PM »

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The failure of these cars to sell in large volumes, must in part be due to the fact that they retailed for more than twice the price of a similarly sized six-cylinder Citroën Traction 15CV!

As you can see in the big color photo, it has been overtaken quickly by Citroen...

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #20 on:** September 13, 2014, 07:04:43 AM »

Original pic re-added, to support index.

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Author Topic: Puzzle #113 - Solved! Hotchkiss-Grégoire Grand Sport Coupé by Chapron (Read 14626 times)