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Dodge Comes Late to the Crossover Dance
« on: May 30, 2007, 06:18:09 AM »
Edmund's Import Fanboy Online Inside Line snagged this video on the new crossover coming from Dodge. The article speculates on componentry and interior quality, hewing close to their 'Detroit is Dead' mantra. 



Read it here...

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=120939#4
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Re: Dodge Comes Late to the Crossover Dance
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2007, 06:35:53 AM »
Looks like what we used to call a station wagon before that word was stricken from the automotive lexicon.    :-\
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Re: Dodge Comes Late to the Crossover Dance
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2007, 07:07:53 AM »
Edmund's Import Fanboy Online Inside Line

I would LOVE to get someone to write a feature article about this kind of journalistic BS.

Karn, Ming, any volunteers?
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Re: Dodge Comes Late to the Crossover Dance
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2007, 07:14:06 AM »
Let's collect some thoughts on how the rags slant coverage.  I will write the scathing indictment if no one else wants to.
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Re: Dodge Comes Late to the Crossover Dance
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2007, 07:38:57 AM »
Looks like what we used to call a station wagon before that word was stricken from the automotive lexicon.    :-\

Yes, and I like it! :)

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Re: Dodge Comes Late to the Crossover Dance
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2007, 08:02:13 AM »
Let's collect some thoughts on how the rags slant coverage.  I will write the scathing indictment if no one else wants to.

Here's a good example.  In a CNN Money article that lists "10 great buys for college grads" they nitpick at the Saturn Aura's interior and slam all GM cars in general:

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/autos/0705/gallery.starter_cars/index.html

"The Aura doesn't look or drive like any Saturn - or any GM car, for that matter - you've tried before.

If you want to nitpick, there are some cheap plastics here and there. But there's real attention to detail in the Aura's warm and inviting cabin."

Now I'm all for calling it like it is with cars like the Chevy Trailblazer's awful interior.  And I suppose a GM fan should be happy that a GM car even made the list.  But like every positive Cadillac CTS review when it was launched that just HAD to mention the Cimmaron, they have to throw in some jabs with the praise for a car that won multiple awards and never struck me as having cheap plastics in it.

Contrast to the KIA Rondo - no mention of "cheap plastics", because we all know that KIAs wouldn't have any of those, and actually all of the other offerings in the list.

The biggest surprise is the way the Ford Fusion is praised, however.  Almost makes me think the author drives one, or puts a lot of stock in CR.  Actually the list itself is surprising.  Usually for these "Top 10" lists from CNN, etc. you'll see half of them as some brand of Toyota or Honda.

Actually for more examples of long held grudges against GM, just type "cadillac cts cimmaron" in a Google search.   You'll see it pop up everywhere.

I actually recall an article/preview on the Pontiac Solstice that said "Pontiac to bring back RWD compact performance" with a photo of the Chevrolet Chevette-twin, the Pontiac T1000 mentioned.

This is a sneaky way for the auto journalists to keep their paradigm of "Detroit Sucks" intact.

Cobalt vs. Cavalier?  Fair enough.  It was a direct transition, and the Cavalier deserved to be hammered after riding on the same platform for so long.  But why does the auto industry feel the need to go back to cars like the Vega, T1000, or the Cimmaron to contrast to new GM cars?

Why not bring up the Toyota Tercel or Paseo for new Toyota compact reviews?  If we're going to go back to the early 80's, why not  mention the way Toyota/Honda cars were prone to rusting out and why we rarely see "classic" Japanese cars (with the exception of a Nissan/Datsun Z here and there) still driving around from that era?

How about the way KIA and Hyundai reviews now pretty much have cast aside references to cars of just 10 years ago, while Detroit still gets negative references to cars from decades ago?

My problem with the automotive press is that they have a long memory for Detroit filled with grudges, and a short, selective memory for Asian imports despite the fact that quality has risen across the board for everyone, and drastically.

There you go Ultra, my 2 cents. :)
« Last Edit: May 30, 2007, 08:04:43 AM by Ming »

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Re: Dodge Comes Late to the Crossover Dance
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2007, 11:41:52 AM »

My problem with the automotive press is that they have a long memory for Detroit filled with grudges, and a short, selective memory for Asian imports despite the fact that quality has risen across the board for everyone, and drastically.

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Well said! I'd still like to see the article that Ultra laid out, but you've captured the essence in a nutshell.
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Re: Dodge Comes Late to the Crossover Dance
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2007, 11:53:45 AM »
Why not bring up the Toyota Tercel or Paseo for new Toyota compact reviews?

That's a fair criticism. Ditto the Honda DelSol.

Well said, Ming, you unmerciful bastard!    ;D
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Re: Dodge Comes Late to the Crossover Dance
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2007, 01:44:31 PM »
I agree that there's a lot of Detroit -bashing in the media...but you have to remember that there used to be a lot to bash.  Detroit has a legacy of building absolutely awful automobiles and of trying to pressure the American public into believing that they really wanted them.  People aren't stupid.  Detroit was.  And they've paid a lot for their arrogance.  Is it time to forget the past ?  The Corvair, the Pinto?  Sure, the '70's-'80's Japanese cars rusted...but they were more reliable and screwed together much better than their Detroit counterparts when they were built.  There was much more to like about them.

The point I'm trying to make is that Detroit has a legacy of manipulating the consumer, and the import companies don't.  There is still a lot of distrust in the marketplace...some of it is misguided, sure...but when I shop for a car, I'm in a real conundrum.  I want to buy American, but I remember the crap that Detroit used to try to shove down my throat.  I've had to deal with some very aggressive and intimidating dealers and service departments.  I once bought a Toyota Corolla because a Chevy dealer wouldn't honor his warranty.  And I'm not alone.

The troubles Detroit has now are a direct result of this attitude...I'm sorry, but it's hard to forget.  My father retired from Chrysler in the late '80's...we went through the scare that Chrysler would go bankrupt, and it was a nightmare...but I firmly believe that they made their own bed.

What will it take to make people forget?  I don't know...but chastising the media isn't the answer...they're just reporting on what they see.  American cars are much better than they used to be.  And, Detroit's attitude is different today...but it wasn't so long ago that it wasn't.

I don't like to see anybody get bashed in the media, and I didn't think the article in question was all that bad.  Maybe the product is a little mediocre, though...the Avenger isn't getting rave reviews.  If it was a world-beater, everybody would say so.

And, there might be another side to the media's constant rehashing of Chevettes and such...look at how far Detroit HAS come...


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Re: Dodge Comes Late to the Crossover Dance
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2007, 07:29:31 PM »


Well said! I'd still like to see the article that Ultra laid out, but you've captured the essence in a nutshell.

I haven't laid it out.  I just got the idea for it this morning from this thread and thought I should solicit thoughts from others beforehand.  Actually, I was hoping Ming or someone else would step up and write it.  This thread seems to be writing it for whomever wants to put their name on it, frankly.

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Re: Dodge Comes Late to the Crossover Dance
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2007, 12:56:38 AM »
Let's collect some thoughts on how the rags slant coverage.  I will write the scathing indictment if no one else wants to.

Here's a good example.  In a CNN Money article that lists "10 great buys for college grads" they nitpick at the Saturn Aura's interior and slam all GM cars in general:

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/autos/0705/gallery.starter_cars/index.html

"The Aura doesn't look or drive like any Saturn - or any GM car, for that matter - you've tried before.

If you want to nitpick, there are some cheap plastics here and there. But there's real attention to detail in the Aura's warm and inviting cabin."

Now I'm all for calling it like it is with cars like the Chevy Trailblazer's awful interior.  And I suppose a GM fan should be happy that a GM car even made the list.  But like every positive Cadillac CTS review when it was launched that just HAD to mention the Cimmaron, they have to throw in some jabs with the praise for a car that won multiple awards and never struck me as having cheap plastics in it.

Contrast to the KIA Rondo - no mention of "cheap plastics", because we all know that KIAs wouldn't have any of those, and actually all of the other offerings in the list.

The biggest surprise is the way the Ford Fusion is praised, however.  Almost makes me think the author drives one, or puts a lot of stock in CR.  Actually the list itself is surprising.  Usually for these "Top 10" lists from CNN, etc. you'll see half of them as some brand of Toyota or Honda.

Actually for more examples of long held grudges against GM, just type "cadillac cts cimmaron" in a Google search.   You'll see it pop up everywhere.

I actually recall an article/preview on the Pontiac Solstice that said "Pontiac to bring back RWD compact performance" with a photo of the Chevrolet Chevette-twin, the Pontiac T1000 mentioned.

This is a sneaky way for the auto journalists to keep their paradigm of "Detroit Sucks" intact.

Cobalt vs. Cavalier?  Fair enough.  It was a direct transition, and the Cavalier deserved to be hammered after riding on the same platform for so long.  But why does the auto industry feel the need to go back to cars like the Vega, T1000, or the Cimmaron to contrast to new GM cars?

Why not bring up the Toyota Tercel or Paseo for new Toyota compact reviews?  If we're going to go back to the early 80's, why not  mention the way Toyota/Honda cars were prone to rusting out and why we rarely see "classic" Japanese cars (with the exception of a Nissan/Datsun Z here and there) still driving around from that era?

How about the way KIA and Hyundai reviews now pretty much have cast aside references to cars of just 10 years ago, while Detroit still gets negative references to cars from decades ago?

My problem with the automotive press is that they have a long memory for Detroit filled with grudges, and a short, selective memory for Asian imports despite the fact that quality has risen across the board for everyone, and drastically.

There you go Ultra, my 2 cents. :)

Karn, a little judicious editing and, well, do you think we should turn this into a front page editorial?  I could do the editing if you would like but I would want the article attributed to Ming.
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Re: Dodge Comes Late to the Crossover Dance
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2007, 07:29:18 AM »
Can do. Look's like it'll be a full Saturday morning!  :D
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Re: Dodge Comes Late to the Crossover Dance
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2007, 09:19:05 AM »
What do the rags say about the Toyota 4Runner's interior?

I rented one of these lately and it was very cheap plastic crappy.
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Re: Dodge Comes Late to the Crossover Dance
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2007, 08:31:21 PM »
This thread has now led to the creation of the Feature Article currently on the front page.

http://www.autopuzzles.com/Bias.htm
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Re: Dodge Comes Late to the Crossover Dance
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2007, 05:11:47 AM »
An Asian going for the American cars and underlining some bad aspects of the Asian ones?
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Re: Dodge Comes Late to the Crossover Dance
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2007, 08:57:10 PM »
"well-known" is misspelled on the front page.
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