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Solved - NEH 653: Autocars Dragoon
« on: August 11, 2010, 11:13:29 AM »
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Re: NEH 653
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2010, 03:03:34 PM »
Experts?
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Re: NEH 653
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2010, 03:15:45 PM »
Land Rover forward-control?
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Re: NEH 653
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2010, 07:12:56 PM »
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Re: NEH 653
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2010, 07:26:32 PM »
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Re: NEH 653
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2010, 04:29:54 AM »
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Re: NEH 653
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2010, 04:47:08 AM »
VW-based made in the Philipines called "Trakbayan"?
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Re: NEH 653
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2010, 08:07:39 AM »
Quote from: DeAutogids on August 23, 2010, 04:47:08 AM
VW-based made in the Philipines called "Trakbayan"?

No.
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Re: NEH 653
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2010, 08:28:24 AM »
But from Asia?
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Re: NEH 653
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2010, 11:01:18 AM »
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Re: NEH 653
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2010, 07:23:49 AM »
GM-base?
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Re: NEH 653
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2010, 07:43:08 AM »
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Re: NEH 653
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2010, 07:32:08 AM »
Autocars Dragoon
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Re: NEH 653
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2010, 07:49:03 AM »
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Re: NEH 653
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2010, 07:32:21 AM »
Quote from: studhamsmudger on August 31, 2010, 07:32:08 AM
Autocars Dragoon

Yes!
Apparently it started out life as a Triumph Pony, a 1963 design for a utility vehicle for Triumph.
With all the amalgamations going on in the UK car industry at the time it was no longer needed to was sold to be made in Israel by Autocars.
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Re: NEH 653
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2010, 02:37:54 PM »
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Re: Solved - NEH 653: Autocars Dragoon
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2010, 04:03:33 PM »
Technically,  yes, but I think if I had replied "yes" that would actually have been misleading, as generally the question "Asia" means China, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, India and all places East!

We refer to countries such as Israel, Syria, Lebanon as "The Near East"  and the Arab States further east as the "Middle East".

When Puzzlers want to know if it's from Japan etc maybe they should ask "The Far East?" to be more accurate, although then that would not include India...
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Re: Solved - NEH 653: Autocars Dragoon
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2010, 01:16:41 AM »
Quote from: Carnut on September 18, 2010, 04:03:33 PM
Technically,  yes, but I think if I had replied "yes" that would actually have been misleading, as generally the question "Asia" means China, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, India and all places East!
??? I think your answer was actually more misleading as Israel is geographically clearly an Asian country.
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Re: Solved - NEH 653: Autocars Dragoon
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2010, 07:55:17 AM »
It is, I know, but I maintain that's not what anyone means when they ask if it's from Asia, except perhaps you..
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Re: Solved - NEH 653: Autocars Dragoon
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2010, 08:22:08 AM »
It's part of the game to give correct infos even if they're misleading. It's not about what others might think or not.
If someone ask "Is it a Mercedes?" you can't say "No!" if it doesn't appear like that.

It has nothing to do with my personal opinion..
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Re: Solved - NEH 653: Autocars Dragoon
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2010, 10:59:00 AM »
Sorry, thought this was a game about cars, not geography.
I know perfectly well Israel is part of the Asian landmass, but even the Israelis themselves don't consider they are Asian.  That is of course partly political, but is also because most of the population is of European extraction.  They consider they live 'at the conjunction of Asia, Europe and Africa'.  In matters of culture they consider themselves European, hence they belong to EUFA and Eurovision..

I don't think I gave a misleading answer but clearly you do.  

Either way the puzzle is solved so there's nothing I can change.  If de Autogids is not happy about my reply then I apologise to him and promise to do better next time.
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Re: Solved - NEH 653: Autocars Dragoon
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2010, 12:09:50 PM »
Carnut you're right it is a game about cars and not about geography. But most of the cars have been built by people who live in countries which have names! Without knowing where those cars were built it's hard to solve puzzles, isn't it?  :'(

Once again I try to make it clear. If you would ask me 'is the Autocars Dragoon made in Asia?' I would reply 'Yes' or 'Cannot definetely be answered' (like Turkey or Russia), but to say 'no' is sheer nonsense (excuse me, but I start to lose my temper on this! :noid:) because it's not true. Even if the Israelites feel like Europeans, are integrated in European cultural institutions, singing weird songs on the Eurovision Contest, participating on UEFA tournaments etc. etc. Israel belongs to Asia, that's not kind of an opinion, but a matter of fact!

And: Where did I give misleading answers? Please let me know I'll try to improve my English next time!

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Re: Solved - NEH 653: Autocars Dragoon
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2010, 02:46:23 PM »
Quote from: Allemano on September 20, 2010, 12:09:50 PM

And: Where did I give misleading answers?

You misunderstood my English: I didn't mean you gave misleading answers, I meant clearly you think I do...
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Re: Solved - NEH 653: Autocars Dragoon
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2010, 02:53:23 PM »
We're not going to agree on this one.
Obviously you are technically right but there is a difference between talking about the geographical landmass and asking the question 'Asia'.  These days, when talking about Asia, the Far East is what people mean, including also India and Pakistan.  Absolutely no-one (at least here in UK anyway) talks about the Arab States being Asian, or Jordan, or Israel or anywhere west of Afghanistan.  They are always referred to as the Middle East or the Near East.    I think when asking 'Asia?' people are referring to a part of the world, one that everyone understands to be Japan, China, Korea etc., not a geographical landmass.  But maybe I'm wrong and people speak geographically.

But I take your point and on another occasion I would give the strict reply and if someone objects then I'll blame you!
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Re: Solved - NEH 653: Autocars Dragoon
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2010, 03:05:02 PM »
Quote from: Carnut on September 20, 2010, 02:53:23 PM
But I take your point and on another occasion I would give the strict reply and if someone objects then I'll blame you!
That would be phenomenal!
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