Author Topic: ADG 40 - SOLVED - Opel Kapitän - liftback conversion by Vogt Autotechnik (Read 3558 times)

75america · « **on:** August 02, 2010, 08:58:45 AM »

I would like to know what it is (no point will be awarded for this because it is to easy) and who converted it (for a point).
Because I don't know the converter myself, I need some proof before I can award the point

75america · « **Reply #1 on:** August 22, 2010, 05:00:02 AM »

Experts?

D-type · « **Reply #2 on:** August 22, 2010, 05:27:00 AM »

Quote from: 75america on August 02, 2010, 08:58:45 AM

I would like to know what it is (no point will be awarded for this because it is to easy) and who converted it (for a point).
Because I don't know the converter myself, I need some proof before I can award the point

Please don't be so smug and patronising. I haven't a f*ing clue what it is!

75america · « **Reply #3 on:** August 22, 2010, 06:18:13 AM »

Quote from: D-type on August 22, 2010, 05:27:00 AM

Please don't be so smug and patronising. I haven't a f*ing clue what it is!

I understand that you might doubt between 2, possibly even 3 cars.

franck.kegelart · « **Reply #4 on:** August 23, 2010, 06:56:59 AM »

I think it is an Opel Admiral - liftback conversion by Vogt Autotechnik ; I believe it was made for german television.

75america · « **Reply #5 on:** August 23, 2010, 11:48:00 AM »

Quote from: franck.kegelart on August 23, 2010, 06:56:59 AM

I think it is an Opel Admiral - liftback conversion by Vogt Autotechnik ; I believe it was made for german television.

Not an Admiral, so only 1 possibility left.
Can you prove that it was made by Vogt Autotechnik?
I already looked for Vogt conversions, but I was not able to find this particular one.

D-type · « **Reply #6 on:** September 06, 2010, 05:56:51 PM »

If the "easy" bit isn't an Opel Admiral, is it a Holden Statesman?

woodinsight · « **Reply #7 on:** September 06, 2010, 11:53:58 PM »

Opel Kapitan (introduced in early 1969)?
Not sure about the converter (I have the self same photo but unfortunately there is no caption)
I'll keep searching........

75america · « **Reply #8 on:** September 07, 2010, 06:09:43 AM »

It is indeed a Kapitän

75america · « **Reply #9 on:** November 01, 2010, 03:19:03 AM »

Pro's?

grobmotorix · « **Reply #10 on:** November 01, 2010, 04:03:39 AM »

This Opel Kapitän was converted to a kind of fastback Coupé by Karosseriefabrik Wender (NOT Wendler), located at Berlin-Charlottenburg.

I do not know more and it would be great to get any additional information about the coachbuilding company.

I suppose we both have the same book...

guido66 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 01, 2010, 04:51:54 AM »

I have another book in which it says that it is by Vogt and it was made for ZDF. They also did a Diplomat. I'll post a scan tonight when I get home.

grobmotorix · « **Reply #12 on:** November 01, 2010, 05:30:41 AM »

This is definitly not the Vogt version.
Have a closer look at the rear end.
The Wender version has a breaking line at the middle of its rear end and the huge trunk lid includes the rear screen.
The roof-mounted hinges can be seen clearly in the Wender-pic on top of this puzzle.
The Vogt (Be it Admiral, Kapitän or Diplomat) had a straigt fastback line and a small standard-type trunk lid as can be seen here:

The bottom picture shows the WENDER Kapitän again. I´ve scanned it again from my source.

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #13 on:** November 01, 2010, 06:15:08 AM »

Still out there:

75america · « **Reply #14 on:** November 01, 2010, 06:24:08 AM »

I tend to believe grobmotorix that it is indeed a Wender conversion, but until now, no clear evidence is given...

I also wonder if the car on the pics that PJ published are one and the same car. That one 'says' (in the more recent script) Admiral and has a dual exhaust. Things that are, of course, easy to modify.

And it has also the newer (1972) front.

grobmotorix · « **Reply #15 on:** November 01, 2010, 06:43:22 AM »

One gear back, guys!
My fault, I´ve mixed up two subtitles in the book where I´ve found the puzzle pic, too....

I´m sure now this is indeed a second Vogt version of the K-A-D Opels (Kapitän/Admiral/Diplomat).

So the point has to go to 75america in my eyes. He´s given it the name "Vogt" first.

Please excuse this blunder. To satisfy your autopuzzler´s minds, you may like this K-A-D puzzle, I´ve placed as a kind of compensation some minutes ago:

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=14281.0

Allemano · « **Reply #16 on:** November 01, 2010, 07:17:49 AM »

Quote from: grobmotorix on November 01, 2010, 06:43:22 AM

So the point has to go to 75america in my eyes. He´s given it the name "Vogt" first.
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=14281.0

Err... 75america was the author of this puzzle, I don't think he deserves a point for this.

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #17 on:** November 01, 2010, 07:19:33 AM »

Quote from: franck.kegelart on August 23, 2010, 06:56:59 AM

I think it is an Opel Admiral - liftback conversion by Vogt Autotechnik ; I believe it was made for german television.

grobmotorix · « **Reply #18 on:** November 01, 2010, 08:38:33 AM »

Err...Franck, of course...

75america · « **Reply #19 on:** November 01, 2010, 08:42:01 AM »

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Quote from: grobmotorix on November 01, 2010, 06:43:22 AM

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=14281.0

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Now I drive an unreliable and expensive 1997 Alfa GTV

Mine is rock solid and inexpensive

And back on topic: I believe that I will award the point to franck.kegelart because he first came up with Vogt.

grobmotorix · « **Reply #20 on:** November 01, 2010, 09:06:14 AM »

Mine came from Belgium and it IS a cost nightmare...

75america · « **Reply #21 on:** November 01, 2010, 09:13:35 AM »

Quote from: grobmotorix on November 01, 2010, 09:06:14 AM

Mine came from Belgium and it IS a cost nightmare...

1997 is a series 1 => better to avoid the first (1995-1997) series.
Is it a 2.0 T. Spark? => Better avoid the Fiat T.Spark engines (my 75 with the orginal Alfa 2.0 T. Spark was, how predictable, rock solid and inexpensive as well)

guido66 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 01, 2010, 05:44:38 PM »

Back to Opels now

No new photo's but this time with captions from the 1987 book: 125 Jahre Opel: Autos und Technik, by Hans-Jürgen Schneider

The car on the puzzle photo has a plate that ends at 761, the one on my photo ends at 764. Could this mean that at least 4 were built?

grobmotorix · « **Reply #23 on:** November 01, 2010, 05:59:36 PM »

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The car on the puzzle photo has a plate that ends at 761, the one on my photo ends at 764. Could this mean that at least 4 were built?

MZ stands for Mainz, where the ZDF (second german television) is located. So in my eyes it is most likely that there were at least MZ-MZ 761, 762 763 and 764.

Wendax · « **Reply #24 on:** June 11, 2016, 01:03:32 PM »

With opened hatch:

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